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Which is better Spain or Italy?
« on: May 13, 2010, 01:46:02 AM »
Spain Vs Italy -  Let The Gastronomic Battle Commence


I like to think I know a thing or two about good food and wine. Lord knows I eat out often enough to give me at least some experience against which to assess the quality (or lack thereof) of this and that restaurant. Two restaurants I recently had the good fortune of visiting with friends have left a lasting impression on me, each for different reasons.

In early May, I was in Barcelona for the Spanish grand Prix and on the Friday night, dined with a group of about 17 friends at the Botafumeiro Restaurant. A very popular and traditional Galician seafood restaurant in the heart of Barcelona that seats 300 and counts the King of Spain and many celebrities amongst its loyal clients, this frankly massive venue impressed from the off, with its 'crew' of waiters and waitresses, decked out in nautical-type outfits, keeping the customers well plied with their very comprehensive range of fine Spanish wines.

The bread basket, for me the single most telling indicator of the quality of a restaurant) was excellent. Having ordered a variety of starters for the group to share, the meal was getting off to a very promising start, the Octopus Feira style topping the rankings. The main courses delivered the encore for the starters' quality performance, the fisherman's rice (Arroz Caldoso) looking particularly tasty. The freshest fish and vegetables and some rather fantastic sauces rounded out the whole gastronomic experience. The food, in addition to the wine (good choice made by one of our party though I forget what it was, a Diamante perhaps) certainly lived up to the grandeur of the place.

It was with much curiosity then that I overheard two friends, an Italian and a French man, discussing, sotto voce, that although 'ok,' the food was hardly anything to write home about, a sentiment which I could hardly believe I was sharing with them. They were, in particular, rather disappointed with the 90 EUR per head price tag, asserting that in Italy you'd need pay no more than 30 EUR to enjoy a meal not merely the equal of but, in fact, superior to the banquet I thought we had just enjoyed.

As luck would have it, I would be in Bologna the following week and so would have the opportunity of testing the theory!

Our arrival in Italy was beset by problems and delays and instead of arriving in Bologna at 1130hrs as scheduled it was all the airline could do to get us there at 2030hrs instead. We arrived at our country house accomodation, a few windy and hilly kilometres beyond the
Bolognese town of Monzuno and were informed by the mistress of the house that she had made a reservation for us in a restaurant by the name of Benvenuti in the next town, Loiano.

Upon arrival at Benvenuti after an exhausting day we were (no surprises here) 'welcomed' or 'benvenuti'd' by the owner of the restaurant who had been expecting us following a call from the mistress of the country house. Immediately we sat down we were treated to bruschetta and tomato, the freshest I had ever tasted and I took a moment to take in the rather lovely family restaurant feel of the place. I chatted in Italian (in rudimentary language of course, ably assisted by my phrasebook and an element of singing in Spanish which they seem to either understand or think is a dialect they SHOULD understand so just nod willingly)(maybe they just don;t want you to feel like an idiot) with the owner who suggested a couple of pasta dishes, one of which was taglioline in a pancetta and something (I think it was called heaven or puree of forbidden fruit or something) sauce. As a main I had a pancetta and bayleaf-wrapped fillet steak with oven potatoes and roasted tomatoes. Simple meal huh?

I was, until that day, a virgin of genuine Italian cuisine. I am glad to have waited to have my Italian pasta cherry picked at the ripe old age of 30, at a time in my life when I was best equipped to understand the marvel that meal would represent. I couldn't help but feel sorry for the main course as following the starter would be akin to following Michael Schumacher in the hot seat of a Ferrari F1 car (sorry Kimi). The main course, however, pulled a Lewis Hamilton out of the bag and was simply astounding. The steak, sourced from what must have been very happy, very satisfied cows, was cooked to absolute perfection and wrapped in delicious pancetta and bay leaves. The oven baked potatoes would literally melt in the mouth and the roasted tomatoes, well, simply tremendous.

Along with the chilled Lambrusco di Modena, it must come as no surprise that this meal actually had me trying to hatch an evil (well, not really very evil as such, but it woke you up!) for escaping my mortgage/job/life in Gibraltar and going to live in Italy! It was wonderful. The atmosphere. The food. The wine! And the price, the least important bit, 30 EUR per head! For the money I'd paid the Botafumeirans, I could have had my innocence taken three times!

My friends were right you know. The Italians do more than just fast, beautiful, exotic, pulse-racing cars better than anyone else. They are more than just football World Cup Champions and the nation that brought us the most successful F1 team in the history of the sport. They are the originators of some of the best food in the world and the Italian nation is, for all of the above reasons and despite their well-publicised and much maligned failings, far greater than the sum of its parts.

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Re: Which is better Spain or Italy?
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2011, 04:42:29 AM »
Mh, Martin, I think you generalized your own experience quite a bit.


You need to keep in mind that Italy is a very fragmented reality. Sardinia, in particular, for historical reasons, is often regarded as that island attached to Italy. The island itself regards its territory and power as almost independent, and rarely actively partecipates to the national debate.
Sardinia is largely exploited by Italian citizens as a holiday location, which is forgotten once you get back home, and by the government (or sometimes governments, considering the numerous foreign military bases placed on Sardinian territory).


Moreover you went to Porto Cervo. Porto Cervo is, more or less, the VIP fancy pantsy area of Sardinia, if not of all Italy.
No Italian would go to Porto Cervo to have a break, unless they want to show off and boast about how rich they are. Since, rapidly, the wealth of the country is converging in the hands of fewer people (similiar to the US situation, concerning the distribution of wealth), Porto Cervo is very little indicative of how Italy and mostly Sardinia really is: it perfectly expresses the behaviour of a certain irresponsible part of population.


I do understand the comparison between Majorca and Sardinia (both largely independent from Spain and Italy), but it's unlikely that the better economical situation of Majorca and, you say, even Spain is to be linked to "honesty pays".
First of all, it seems streched to deduce the spirit of a population from a bad (I assume you'd consider your stay in Sardinia as bad) experience; then it seems to me you forget that both the countries don't live on turism (without, of course, denying that turism is a great part of their economies).
The place where I felt most welcomed in my life was Finland (and people think finnish people are cold-hearted), but I wouldn't connect my impression to their economical situation so recklessly.



I am pretty sure you have been ripped off by the taxi driver.
I sometimes use taxi in Sardinia for work reasons and covering that piece of road should not cost you that much.
Occasionally you will find illegal (meaning non-certified) taxi drivers. Those are mainly people with a car and (sometimes) a TAXI simbol over their cars who pretend to be taxi drivers. I can assure you they do their illegal business in good will, but their prices are off the charts.
At the same time, you should pay attention when you pick a taxi. If they don't have the TAXI sign, you should decline their offer. A certified taxi has the price list hanged on the back of the front seats. The taxi driver has an id card in his car that proves he is an licensed taxi driver, and if he's outside the car, he has it with him and should be able to show it to you if you ask for it.
Also, it depends on the time when you took the cab. If you took it after 9 pm, the cost is higher, according to a (I think) 2001 law. I wouldn't say, in this case, that this is lack of honesty, as much as it's protection of the worker (taxi driver).


Lastly, about Silvio Berlusconi, although I doubt you really met people who visited Berlusconi's Villa (I am sure they told you so, but they might have been lying), you need to remember that once you're 18, in Italy, you're completely of age: you can drive a car, own a house, have sex, and vote (although you need to be 21 to vote for the Senato).
That being said, since the Procura di Milano recently filed a report (still to be judged in court) about Berlusconi having intercourse with underaged girls (17 I think) and given also the numerous ladies he's supposed to have slept with, I agree that this type of behaviour is despicable, especially for a Prime Minister.
I also need to point out that, according to his version, all these things never happened, and that until the court passes a final ruling, all these things remain only presumed.


So, in the end, both when it comes to good opinions and bad opinions, it's one thing to be stating facts based on datas, it is another when you conclude all-round judgments from a singular personal impression.

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Re: Which is better Spain or Italy?
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2011, 02:00:05 PM »
They are both the best and you will find lots of beautiful attractions in Spain and Italy.

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Re: Which is better Spain or Italy?
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2011, 02:06:30 PM »
They are both the best and you will find lots of beautiful attractions in Spain and Italy.
agree , both countries are superb and worth to visit ...

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Re: Which is better Spain or Italy?
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2011, 06:32:06 PM »
  Milan is the fashionista capital of the world (which would keep me away by itself), but is also home to the famed statue of the David, by Michelangelo.  Farther south in Italy is a little less tourist-oriented, and the Roman and pre-Roman ruins in Siracusa and other places in Sicily are amazing.

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Re: Which is better Spain or Italy?
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2011, 10:05:59 PM »
I don't think I could pick either one as definitively 'the best', it depends on where you go and whats on at that time of year.  If I had to pick a favourite city from the two countries I would have to say Barcelona but it's a tough one!

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Re: Which is better Spain or Italy?
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2011, 02:31:40 AM »
This article about Italy will definetely answer your question :azn:
http://www.italiamia.com/travel_italian_hotels.php

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Re: Which is better Spain or Italy?
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2011, 03:42:47 AM »
no question: Italy is better

 
on the roots of tons of history, breathtaking beauty of the landscape and accommodation in a very charming hotel.

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Re: Which is better Spain or Italy?
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Re: Which is better Spain or Italy?
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2011, 07:11:43 PM »
i have spend few years of my life in italy and found it one of the best place for the livin there are so many attractive things which inspired you so much and people are so brilliant and i  like it so much so i will prefer you to go italy and stay there in my choice but you may choose yourself the better place for the living